Legal Tech

Episode 10: Zach Abramowitz on Legal Tech Trends & Law Firms as Incubators

For Episode 10, we connected with Zach Abramowitz in Las Vegas during the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium (CLOC) conference. Zach is a lawyer, legal technology writer and entrepreneur. Zach handled mergers and acquisitions before he left the practice of law to launch ReplyAll.me, a tool that lets users have dynamic, live conversations (similar to a chat) and embed the conversation on a website as it unfolds.  You can check out a cool example from Bloomberg Big Law Business when Zach talked to Mary O’Carroll, head of Legal Operations at Google.

Zach also writes about legal tech for several outlets, including Above the Law. So, we talked to him about trends in legal tech (including the gaining popularity of contract analysis and automation tools) and how lessons learned by e-discovery software companies helped pave the way for other legal tech applications. We also talked to Zach about whether the next generation of legal tech companies may very well be hatched in law firms.

You can find Zach on LinkedIn, on Twitter @zachabramowitz or by email zach@replyall.me.

Legal Tech Founder Segment: Catherine Krow of Digitory Legal

We were also lucky enough to snag an interview with Catherine Krow, also an attorney and the founder of Digitory Legal, a cloud based legal budgeting and resource management platform. Digitory Legal is a great tool to help lawyers and their clients craft realistic and more accurate budgets for their legal matters.

You can learn more about Catherine and Digitory Legal on LinkedIn, Twitter (@cmkrow or @digitorylegal) or by email (support@digitorylegal.com) or phone (888-811-7211).

Things We Talk About in This Episode

Max Kellerman

Reply All

Above the Law

Kira

Doxly

Y Combinator

Gravity Stack

Zach’s Article in Bloomberg Big Law Business on Law Firms Developing Software

Episode Credits

Editing and Production: Grant Blackstock

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Background Photo Above by Markus Spisk

Episode 9: Gabriel Teninbaum on Legal Tech Education

For Episode 9 we hit the road and headed to Boston to visit Gabriel Teninbaum, Director of the Institute on Legal Innovation and Technology and a legal writing professor at Suffolk University School of Law.

To say that Gabe does a lot of interesting legal tech related stuff would be an understatement. Not only does he head up the legal tech Institute at Suffolk, he also holds positions at Harvard and Yale.

Suffolk’s Legal Innovation and Technology Institute has three main programs: A legal tech concentration for law students, the LIT Lab that pairs law students with legal organizations to do R&D work and an online legal tech certificate program for legal professionals.

And, if holding all his positions in academia was not enough, Gabe’s side hustle is an app he developed called Spaced Repetition that helps law students with their studies and prepare for the bar exam.

Finally, Gabe has a great weekly legal tech newsletter called Lawtomatic.  You can subscribe to that here.

 

Legal Tech Founder Segment: Rick Merrill of Gavelytics

In this episode, we also talk to Rick Merrill. Rick is a former litigator and the founder of Gavelytics, an AI powered database containing information about judges, their tendencies and rulings.  Gavelytics provides actionable insights that help litigators win more motions, win more cases, and win more business.

 

Things We Talk About in this Episode

Suffolk’s Institute on Legal Innovation and Technology

Suffolk’s LIT Lab

legaltechcertificate.com

Legal Lean Sigma

Florida’s Legal Tech CLE Requirement

Ross Guberman’s Legal Writing Pro

Casetext

IBM Watson Health

Tomorrow’s Lawyers by Richard Suskind

Spaced Repetition

Lionel Hutz Attorney at Law and Owner of “I Can’t Believe it’s a Law Firm” at the Springfield Mall.

 

Episode Credits

Editing and Production: Grant Blackstock

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Photo Above of Suffolk Law School: Wally Gobe

Episode 7: Atrium’s Augie Rakow & Max Cantor on Technology First Law Firms

For episode 7 we visited the San Francisco office of legal tech start-up Atrium and talked to Augie Rakow and Max Cantor. Augie is one of Atrium’s founders and Max heads up Atrium’s artificial intelligence efforts.

Atrium is actually two companies: Atrium LLP, a law firm focused on providing legal services to start-ups, and Atrium LTS (Legal Technology Services), the company providing operational and technological support to Atrium LLP.

Augie hatched the idea to launch Atrium with Justin Kan, a serial entrepreneur, angel investor and former partner at Y Combinator (a premier Silicon Valley incubator/accelerator that helped launch a few successful businesses like Dropbox, Airbnb and Stripe). Justin’s desire to create a legal tech start-up was at least partly fueled by his experience as a “power user of legal services.”

The talk with Augie and Max is wide ranging: Augie’s studies at divinity school, Max’s hobby of flying planes, why Atrium was founded and how it differs from the conventional law firm model. Augie and Max also discuss the tech Atrium is developing and their future plans.

In this episode we also talk to Jeremiah Kelman of Everchron, a great collaborative case management platform for litigators. If you want to learn more about Everchron, you can contact Jeremiah and his team at info@everchron.com.

 

Things we talk about in this Episode:

Nobuyoshi Ashibe the “Laurence Tribe of Japan”

Y Combinator

Twitch.tv

Article: What Should You Do With Your Crappy Little Services Business?

 

Episode Highlights:

1:14    How Atrium LLP & LTS is Structured

2:22    Augie Talks About His Experience at Divinity School

4:20    Max Discusses His Hobby – Flying Planes and His Tech Background

8:39    Augie Meets Justin Kan and Starts to Develop the Idea for Atrium

10:45  Interview With Jeremiah Kelman of Everchron

15:23   How Atrium Raised Money From Tech Investors

18:33   Augie Discusses Why it is Hard for Law Firms to Attract Professional Talent

19:54   Max Discusses the Atrium LTS Legal Tech Platform

21:47   Augie Learns Business Concepts from Atrium LTS

24:29   The Legal Products and Areas of Law on Which Atrium is Focused

25:35   Atrium’s Subscription Based Pricing Model

27:05   Max Discusses the Future of Atrium LTS Technology Development

 

Episode Credits:

Editing and Production: Grant Blackstock

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Episode 6: D. Casey Flaherty on Legal Tech Competency, Legal Ops and Client Driven Change

For Episode 6, we sat down with D. Casey Flaherty at the Legal Tech conference in New York City. 

Casey talked about a few things: how many lawyers struggle to master everyday technology, his experience as corporate counsel and the efforts he took in that role to improve the way company lawyers did their jobs. But, a good chunk of the conversation focused on Casey’s belief that inefficiencies in legal service delivery will not change until clients demand change.

Casey is a legal operations consultant and the founder of Procertas, a legal tech assessment and training tool that helps lawyers and their staff master the basic technology tools they use every day such as Word, Excel and the like. 

Prior to launching Procertas and his legal ops consulting practice, Casey was corporate counsel for Kia Motors and got his start as a law firm associate with Holland and Knight.

Casey is also an excellent and prolific writer.  He writes frequently for 3 Geeks and a Law Blog and is the author of “Unless you Ask”  A Guide for Law Departments to Get More from External Relationships.

You can find Casey on Twitter @dcaseyf

In Episode 6, we also talk to Haley Altman, the founder of Doxly.  A legal transaction management platform used by transactional and M&A lawyers to stay organized when they are working on and closing deals.

Find Haley and Doxly on Twitter: @haley_altman@doxlyapp

Episode Credits:

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Photo above by Seth Schwiet on Unsplash

Episode 4: Dennis Garcia on Automation, Cybersecurity and the Cloud

In this episode we visited Microsoft Assistant General Counsel Dennis Garcia in his Chicago office. Dennis talked about a few things, including what he and others in the Microsoft legal department are doing to automate and streamline legal work (spoiler alert: bots are involved).

Dennis also talks about the benefits of lawyers using cloud computing and common sense tips law firms can take to shore up their cybersecurity.

Dennis closes out the interview discussing lawyers’ use of social media.

Here are links to a couple articles mentioned in this podcast: One on rules of professional conduct and ethical opinions addressing lawyers’ use of cloud computing and an article Dennis wrote on cybersecurity.

You can connect with Dennis on Twitter (@DennisCGarcia) or LinkedIn.

In this episode we also introduce a new segment we are adding to the podcast. Starting with this episode, we will include a short interview with the founder of a legal tech company to help get the word out about new apps and products aimed at making the lives of lawyers easier.

We start with Ryan Alshak, a lawyer and the founder of Ping, automated time keeping for attorneys.

 

Episode Credits:

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Photo Above: Microsoft

L.A. Law Theme: Written by Mike Post, Copyright 1986 Polygram Records

Droids: Lucasfilm, Ltd

Episode 1: Jim Doppke on Lawyers’ Duty of Technology Competence

In our inaugural episode, legal ethics attorney Jim Doppke of Chicago’s Robinson Law Group discusses changes to the Rules of Professional Conduct (ethics rules for lawyers) addressing the impact of technology on modern legal practice.

In 2012 the American Bar Association amended Comment 8 to Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.1 (a lawyer’s duty of competence) in response to changes in technology. The Comment now suggests attorneys must understand “the benefits and risks associated with relevant technology.” To date, more than twenty-five states require attorneys to stay abreast of changes in technology relating to law practice.

In this episode, Jim discusses the ethical obligations of attorneys to keep up with changes in legal technology and offers tips on how attorneys can begin to become for “technologically competent.”

 

Episode Credits:

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI